If there is a Flagg in the book, then he will probably be immediately before me. I'm just off to check. If I die in mysterious circumstances, its up to you guys to avenge me Its ok guys, no Flaggs in Birmingham :o Tony.
Too old to die young, too big to cry, too old to die young, to say goodbye. Don't Wake The Lion. The Stand: Initials R. Reply to author. Report message as abuse. Show original message. Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message.
Hello, I just finished reading the Stand: Uncut Version. It was pretty good, the only King that I've liked more was IT. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had figured out the meaning of the initals R. Each of the names used by Flagg has these initials, and I figure that there has to be some significance. Thanks, GCrash gcha Brian Schlosser. Big Mac Or maybe not Chris Augustine. Sven Anders Robbestad.
Three is a mystical number, a prime number, and the number of The Trinity. Jon Skeet. Blake Richardson. Rienk Doetjes jr. He is the same man as John Flagg and he wants to stop Roland before 'our noble hero' reaches the Dark Tower. I don't know. Suspect No. Joyce Cunningham. On 12 Jun GMT, susp Robert Whelan.
Jon Skeet jl Tony Flaherty. Flagg in the phonebook, for Residents. I had a thought while listening to The Stand audiobook this morning RF is an initial for evil in numerous Stephen King novels. I think how he came across these initials is deceptively simple, King thought of the most evil man he could think of a la: adolF hitleR. King first revised the ending of The Stand in with an expanded edition that added a few hundred more pages. The final confrontation with the evil and mysterious Randall Flagg never changes much across these tinkered endings.
On the way, one of the main characters, Stu Redman, breaks his leg and is left behind. The Hand explodes a nuclear warhead he planned to drop on Boulder, destroying Flagg and his followers in one swift blow.
Stu returns home to his love, Frannie Goldsmith, who has delivered a baby in his absence. The book closes with them discussing human nature.
Are we doomed to repeat all the horrors that brought us to the brink of extinction? Watergate was still in the rearview mirror, the country was going through oil shortages, and environmental disasters were becoming the norm. However, for the characters of The Stand , the immediate future is all that matters. Fran and Stu raise a baby, and the good guys have won.
In that version, Randall Flagg appears to a group of natives on an island untouched by the deadly Captain Tripps virus.
The tribe worships him as a God and his powers start growing once more. The new coda on the CBS All Access show feels in many ways like King marrying those two endings while also finally giving Frannie her time to shine.
Despite an intrinsically strong and likable performance by Odessa Young, the creators of the series saw the key character as less of a priority to the adapted narrative than her semi-crazed stalker, Harold Lauder played convincingly by Owen Teague.
As much blame as the show gets for making the decision to relegate her to a backburner, King lets Frannie down a little bit in the original text, too. This coda feels like King making amends for that. Frannie gets to be the kind, tough, no-BS character we were introduced to. Much of the new ending is the same.
So don't expect that one too soon. Also hasn't anyone noticed the connection with the name Bobby or Robert?
All right guys, you're looking for references to Randall Flagg in SK's books. He is the man in black, and the walking dude. And, yes I remember him referring to the Crimson King. The evil of the Crimson King and of RF are similar. Gaunt, too, is older than time, if he is not RF then he is probably a pawn of his. His M. RF, i believe is also mentioned in a few of SK's short stories, but I am hard pressed to remember them by name.
RF's name may be legion and we can see he is many, but another name for him is Evil, for that is what he is. As for the Necro. From my research it did exist, and the Mad Arab wrote three others before it. Though not directly related to RF, this is an odd bit of trivia. Blessings, Korendil.
Lets see Tommyknockers mentions: Pennywise the Clown; Two teens are sent to Derry for batteries, the boy, Tommy Jacklin sees the clown. The shop is mentioned. Insomnia - the Dark Tower is mentioned, as is Roland. Chris Nell, Officer A. Nell's grandson. ALSO, this one kills me because I can't remember the last name.. WTF is his last name. Anyway, in Drawing of the three, a man named Andrew, same last name as Ed, gives Jake his first riddle in the bookstore.
Why can't I remember the name? I remember noticing the Flagg relationship back when The Stand came out but there was no connection to the one in eyes of the dragon that I could see. But one thing to notice This is a reference to the Flagg from Eyes of the Dragon.
Also, I believe in Rose Madder, when Rose goes into the world of the painting, she's actually going into the Dark Tower world as it makes references to 'ka'. That might reference The Tommyknockers as they take place near eachother. Here's a juicy tidbit that not many people know about.
There is another Dark Tower story out there that Steve didn't let us know about. I have it. It's set before we meet Roland in the Dark Tower, but after all his friends are dead. It's called "The Little Sisters of Eluria". Where can I read this story? It's found in a compilation of famous writers a book called 'Legends Volume 1'.
Edited by Robert Silverberg, copyright Most hard-core fans will recognize that the reason all his evil characters have the initials R. Stephen King obviously intends there to be some sort of theme connecting most of his books together, which all tie in with his Dark Tower Series. I think the Dark Tower books are going to be the pinnacle of his career I've only recently read the dark tower series yes, I agree, I should have read them much earlier.
It makes everything make sense. I noticed someone mentioning the UFO crashing in Derry in the prehistoric time, this effect was due to the gradual decay of the world, which messes with time. Once our group of gunslingers reach Topeka and destroy Blaine something seems very familiar about him, is there anyone like him in any of King's other books they see that the Topeka they are in is the topeka in the where and when of the stand.
This fact is affirmed by them finding a car with a note saying that the black woman in their dreams is in nebraska and that the walkin dude is in Las Vegas. As for the matter of Roland being a true hero, this is very untrue, King demonstrates in The Dark Tower series that he is very "gray" as it was put. The reason for this above all is his obsession with the tower, which causes him to let Jake die for the first time. Could the end of Wizard and the glass Roland crying, expressing raw emotion for the first time signify a weakness in his gunslinger-ness?
I've been reading Kind since I was in 5th grade and he is the best modern author alive today, can't wait for dark tower 5. This book uncovers all the major connections plus all the real little ones.
According to King it can almost be considered a Dark Tower book. Roland's last name is Deschain. Also, in that book, it says Flagg used different names in the past that didn't have the RF rule. Randall Flagg also appeared in the 4th Dark Tower book. That is a very good observation. I would like to comment on Stephen King's choice of the initials, R. Roland could very well end up being a villain.
This wouldn't be the first time that he has taken this approach. In Dolores Claiborne, the woman who is a good person, does something really bad, though King justifies it. In Misery, the woman who saves the protagonist, ends up being pretty evil, crippling the poor man. Also, Roland, in the Wizard, has a vision that all of his friends die.
I wouldn't be surprised if after all of these adventures, he ended up having to sacrifice all of his friends for the dark tower, this egg makes it possible to have many different twists for the ending of the series.
All right, all right. I believe each RF is the same person, reappearing in different times, places, worlds and books. At the end of the Stand, Flagg the Walkin Dude wakes up on an island, not really remembering anything. This shows the constant balance between good and evil. Flagg is never really destroyed, just displaced somewhere else. Has anyone else noticed that Christine and Cujo are in the first couple of minutes of Cat's Eye? Legion is also in Storm of the Century, which CrimsonFreak mentioned.
In "Eyes of the Dragon" Flagg prepares the poison to be put into Roland's drink and travels to the tropthy room. To quote: "On the night Flagg took the poisoned wine to Roland, he first made himself dim. To quote: "'I'm good at not being seen,' she said.
It's a trick someone taught me a long time ago. The trick of being dim. Did Carol meet someone she should not have? Is there a part of Flagg's history that SK has not told us yet? Please feel free to write me about these kinds of connections. However, by serendipity, just today I found the audio book of "Everything's Eventual. Y'all should not have too much trouble finding this audio book, it has just been released.
Thanks, Rick. And Randal Flagg isn't the son of the devil. There is a biblical reference to Legion when Jesus drives his spirit from a man and into a herd of swine, who then drown themselves. This should be in one of the gospels, maybe Mark. Anyway, King also said in the Afterword of DT IV that it was sort of turning out that all of his stories took place in Roland's universe. They're slighly different universes, denoted by the strange fast-food restaraunts and car brand names.
Anyway, my theory is that in all the billions of different universes, the "Worm" [DT III] in the tower manifests in different ways- either Gilead Moving on, or It being under Derry and the turtle dying- and I also think Captain Tripps getting loose is just our world moving on.
It all comes back to the Tower, Baby. Read the poem if you can find it- it's awesome. And that's not in Browning's version. Pretty cool, huh? There was also a Roland in Christine, who was the original owner of Christine, wasn't he? Did King give Roland a chance to redeem himself in the Tower series? Are they alter egos in different realities?
OK -- I'm not by any means a big SK fan I enjoy the movies but haven't read more than one or two of the books. In fact the only reason I'm here is cuz it's am and I'm an incurable insomniac but it occurs to me that RF, IT, and RG Robert Gray from IT or Roland Gilead do have one thing in common -- if you take the numerical values of their initials and multiply them together then add the digits of the product the sum equals 9.
OK it's 4am now and I'm gonna take some sleeping pills and prolly never see this website again -- have fun all! Meep, sorry to get off-topic a wee bit, but in reply to what katwoman posted.. You can also find "The Little Sisters of Eluria" in another book, a collection of short stories written by Stephen King. It's called "Everything's Eventual". Just a crappy side note. In fact, they tell us pretty much right out. In the part of the book where Blind Willie is looking at his newspaper clippings in his memory book about Carol, it is stated that the leader of the anti-war organization Carol was a member of was Raymond Fiegler.
Raymond Fiegler, RF I believe the Turtle is one of the eight anchors for the beams in the Dark Tower. Also, an observation I just made, and I haven't seen anyone else mention it Randall Flagg surely first chronologically in Stephen's mind appeared in "Tears of a Dragon" , as a direct reference to the evil one.
SK has recently said "Thunderclap" concludes the Dark Tower series leaving many to think why he has left it at five books instead of seven. I suggest that he has purposely brought round his latest book as the final tome in his story of Roland Browing is excellent and the Dark Tower although Roland is not in "The Stand" to an end.
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